Mark Gubrud on Twitter: ".@paul_scharre @mchorowitz So then IF a human says "Kill Sarah Connor but try to avoid collateral damage" then that's OK (under 3000.09)."

Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

@DaveMajumdar @USNINews on #autonomousweapons http://news.usni.org/2014/08/21/essay-legal-moral-problems-autonomous-strike-aircraft … @mchorowitz -- but is a cruise missile really an "autonomous weapon"?
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Dave Majumdar ‏@DaveMajumdar Aug 22

@paul_scharre @USNINews @mchorowitz how do you define autonomy? A TLAM is basically a small plane flying itself on a oneway trip to a target
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@DaveMajumdar @USNINews @mchorowitz Autonomy is a slippery word. We use the word "autonomy" in three different ways:
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@DaveMajumdar @USNINews @mchorowitz 1. The level of human control over the machine. Semi-auto = human-in-loop, Autonomous = out of loop
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@DaveMajumdar @USNINews @mchorowitz 2. Level of machine complexity or "smarts." Old-school thermostat is automatic. Nest is "autonomous."
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@DaveMajumdar @USNINews @mchorowitz 3. Type of task it performs. "Autonomous weapon" = selects and engages targets on its own, sans human
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@DaveMajumdar @USNINews @mchorowitz TLAM is autonomous in the first sense. But not an "autonomous weapon." Human selects target.
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Mark Gubrud ‏@mgubrud Aug 22

.@paul_scharre Human says "Kill Sarah Connor." So, Terminator is not an autonomous weapon system? @DaveMajumdar @USNINews @mchorowitz
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@mgubrud @mchorowitz Well, I'd point out that in the movie the Terminator kills a whole lot more people and is actually sent by a machine.
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Michael C. Horowitz ‏@mchorowitz Aug 22

. @paul_scharre @mgubrud semi-autonomous with ROE that is way too unlimited. Does point to need for clearer definition
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Mark Gubrud ‏@mgubrud Aug 22

.@mchorowitz @paul_scharre Well, that's my point. Under 3000.09 it's semi-autonomous, so perfectly OK. Order 500 immediately, war's a-comin.
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@mgubrud @mchorowitz I think this drives home the point that science fiction is not really helpful here, and is kind of a distraction.
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Mark Gubrud ‏@mgubrud Aug 22

.@paul_scharre @mchorowitz Oh, come on! It's a Twitter convo. Point is 3000.09 does not draw clear distinction btw. fully, semi-atonomous.
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@mgubrud @mchorowitz I disagree. I think the line is clear. Human selects target = semi. Machine selects w/out human approval = autonomous.
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@mgubrud @mchorowitz If a human chooses the target, how is that different than a homing munition? Or a cruise missile? Or any PGM?
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Mark Gubrud ‏@mgubrud Aug 22

.@mgubrud @paul_scharre @mchorowitz 3000.09 itself isn't even entirely clear about meaning of "select target." Could it be a target class?
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Mark Gubrud ‏@mgubrud Aug 22

.@paul_scharre @mchorowitz Clearly different, too complex for 140 chars. But these things exist, that doesn't mean they're no problem.
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Paul Scharre ‏@paul_scharre Aug 22

.@mgubrud @mchorowitz No. "target selection - The determination that an individual target or a specific group of targets is to be engaged."
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Mark Gubrud ‏@mgubrud Aug 22

.@paul_scharre @mchorowitz Pretty cryptic, almost circular. Cld "ISIS" be considered a "specific group of targets"? What is "determination"?
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